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The title says it all. Straw poll or discussion |
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#We had the forum about it, and I believe this is the best way. {{User:UltrasonicNXT/Signature}} |
#We had the forum about it, and I believe this is the best way. {{User:UltrasonicNXT/Signature}} |
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#Per below. {{User:Ajraddatz/sig}} 23:56, February 20, 2012 (UTC) |
#Per below. {{User:Ajraddatz/sig}} 23:56, February 20, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | #Most of the time, we don't need headings, like for minor discussions about little things that need to be resolved. But for big important discussions (and, of course, straw polls), headings are cleaner. [[User:FB100Z|FB100Z]] • [[User talk:FB100Z|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/FB100Z|contribs]] 05:36, February 23, 2012 (UTC) |
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We may as well just use whatever suits the situations, which is always a mixture of the two. Using a mixture of the structure of straw polls but having discussions and detailed reasons makes it easier to see what the community wants. (Unlike just big discussions which are a nightmare to follow, and polls on their own which can become like BoTM (aka, hey random person vote me!) - [[User talk:CJC95|CJC]] 08:52, February 20, 2012 (UTC) |
We may as well just use whatever suits the situations, which is always a mixture of the two. Using a mixture of the structure of straw polls but having discussions and detailed reasons makes it easier to see what the community wants. (Unlike just big discussions which are a nightmare to follow, and polls on their own which can become like BoTM (aka, hey random person vote me!) - [[User talk:CJC95|CJC]] 08:52, February 20, 2012 (UTC) |
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* And don't even ''think'' of changing the voting format- the "new" system of voting was put through using that system, if we're doing a vote to put it back, it's only fair to use the old system :) {{User:Nighthawk leader/sig}} 11:16, February 20, 2012 (UTC) |
* And don't even ''think'' of changing the voting format- the "new" system of voting was put through using that system, if we're doing a vote to put it back, it's only fair to use the old system :) {{User:Nighthawk leader/sig}} 11:16, February 20, 2012 (UTC) |
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:I agree with Berry and CJC - it really depends on the vote. If it's a mere matter of styling, then a straw poll would be better. If it's a ideological forum, then the other... discussion... thing... uh... method of voting would work better. {{User:Captain_Jag/sig1}} 23:13, February 20, 2012 (UTC) |
:I agree with Berry and CJC - it really depends on the vote. If it's a mere matter of styling, then a straw poll would be better. If it's a ideological forum, then the other... discussion... thing... uh... method of voting would work better. {{User:Captain_Jag/sig1}} 23:13, February 20, 2012 (UTC) |
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*Agree that it should depend on the situation. The issue with the old system is that we would have a discussion and then a vote on forums... when only the discussion is required. Some things - BoTM, etc - are better as a straw poll, but basically everything else works better if people are actually thinking about what they are saying. {{User:Ajraddatz/sig}} 23:56, February 20, 2012 (UTC) |
*Agree that it should depend on the situation. The issue with the old system is that we would have a discussion and then a vote on forums... when only the discussion is required. Some things - BoTM, etc - are better as a straw poll, but basically everything else works better if people are actually thinking about what they are saying. {{User:Ajraddatz/sig}} 23:56, February 20, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | ==Minimum combined Mainspace/Template/Review/Custom editcount before being able to vote== |
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+ | * Obviously if it's voted to use the discussion system, this vote would be disregarded, even if it's voted to have a minimum votecount. |
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+ | ====Bring it back==== |
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+ | # Helps prevent sockpuppetry, meatpuppetry, and things like [[BP:BOTM#Darth_henry_.28Disqualified.29|this]] from happening. Also if user can't be bothered helping the content of the wiki to some degree, why should they be able to influence how everyone on the site does things? {{User:Nighthawk leader/sig}} 01:59, February 21, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | # --{{User:Crazed Penguin/spook}} 02:05, February 21, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | # {{User:Berrybrick/Sig}} 02:36, February 21, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | ====Don't bring it back==== |
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+ | * - [[User talk:CJC95|CJC]] 19:48, February 23, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | ===If you voted to bring it back...=== |
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+ | ====Set minimum to 100 edits==== |
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+ | # Wouldn't be opposed to having something a bit lower though {{User:Nighthawk leader/sig}} 01:59, February 21, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | ====Set minimum to 70 edits==== |
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+ | # 70 edits. --{{User:Crazed Penguin/spook}} 02:05, February 21, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | # I'm okay with anything over fifty though {{User:Berrybrick/Sig}} 02:37, February 21, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | # This one seems to have the most momentum. {{User:UltrasonicNXT/Signature}} |
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+ | ====Set minimum to 50 edits==== |
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+ | ===Comments=== |
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+ | * Feel free to add any other number of edits in the above section if you want to. {{User:Nighthawk leader/sig}} 01:59, February 21, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | == Comments == |
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+ | === Comments === |
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+ | ==== Comments ==== |
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+ | Seriously? [[User:FB100Z|FB100Z]] • [[User talk:FB100Z|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/FB100Z|contribs]] 03:09, February 21, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | :What? I thought you were going to do a 69 edits section, saying that someone with 69 edits isn't very much less experienced than someone with 70. I almost did it for you, but left it... {{User:Captain_Jag/sig1}} 23:39, February 22, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | ==== Comments ==== |
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+ | My proposal: |
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+ | # '''Straw polls''' for BotM, colors of infoboxes, etc. |
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+ | # '''Freeform discussion''' for minor forum decisions. |
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+ | # '''"Headinged" discussion''' for major forum decisions. (Yes, I made that word up. Yes, it isn't a word. Yes, that makes me an idiot.) |
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+ | Note that the last two are essentially the same thing; the freeform and headinged discussions are equivalent except for their layout. Therefore, this proposal doesn't change any part of our system other than appearance. |
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+ | This is more of a forced convention than a mandate. You will not be flogged in public for starting a headinged discussion on a minor issue, or for starting a freeform discussion on a major issue. It's just a practice we should follow. |
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+ | Also, edit counts suck canal water. They bite newbies, encourage community cabalism, and make things more complex than they should be. I'm tempted to remove that whole section, but I know I'd get flogged in public for doing that, so I won't. [[User:FB100Z|FB100Z]] • [[User talk:FB100Z|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/FB100Z|contribs]] 05:49, February 23, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | :The issue is that with a system like straw polls, common sense can't be taken into account so you need such a requirement to stop sock/meat puppetry. {{User:Ajraddatz/sig}} 14:51, February 23, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | * Something else is, Heaps of good users may not have 100 or less, but may be very good users. --{{User:Crazed Penguin/spook}} 09:34, March 28, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | *RFC ~ [[User talk:CJC95|CJC]] 22:16, April 13, 2012 (UTC) |
Latest revision as of 19:12, 13 May 2012
VotesIt's hard to put a vote about voting in a voting article =P Use Straw Polls
Use Discussion (with headings so it's easy to read)
CommentsWe may as well just use whatever suits the situations, which is always a mixture of the two. Using a mixture of the structure of straw polls but having discussions and detailed reasons makes it easier to see what the community wants. (Unlike just big discussions which are a nightmare to follow, and polls on their own which can become like BoTM (aka, hey random person vote me!) - CJC 08:52, February 20, 2012 (UTC)
Minimum combined Mainspace/Template/Review/Custom editcount before being able to vote
Bring it back
Don't bring it back
If you voted to bring it back...Set minimum to 100 edits
Set minimum to 70 edits
Set minimum to 50 editsComments
CommentsCommentsCommentsSeriously? FB100Z • talk • contribs 03:09, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
CommentsMy proposal:
Note that the last two are essentially the same thing; the freeform and headinged discussions are equivalent except for their layout. Therefore, this proposal doesn't change any part of our system other than appearance. This is more of a forced convention than a mandate. You will not be flogged in public for starting a headinged discussion on a minor issue, or for starting a freeform discussion on a major issue. It's just a practice we should follow. Also, edit counts suck canal water. They bite newbies, encourage community cabalism, and make things more complex than they should be. I'm tempted to remove that whole section, but I know I'd get flogged in public for doing that, so I won't. FB100Z • talk • contribs 05:49, February 23, 2012 (UTC)
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