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There are many more reasons, but as I said, Brickipedia can make it block anything they want, and it's completely optional for users. They can choose to read the words by simply hovering over the icon which shows that the word was blocked. There's really no reason not to do it. |
There are many more reasons, but as I said, Brickipedia can make it block anything they want, and it's completely optional for users. They can choose to read the words by simply hovering over the icon which shows that the word was blocked. There's really no reason not to do it. |
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+ | IMPORTANT EDIT: The words WILL be changed by the admin who imports it. They will not be the same, and you will not get banned for saying darn! |
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[[User:Drew1200|Drewlzoo]]<sup>([[User talk:Drew1200|talk]]) ([[User blog:Drew1200|blogs]])</sup> 20:43, January 16, 2012 (UTC) (forgot my sig :P) |
[[User:Drew1200|Drewlzoo]]<sup>([[User talk:Drew1200|talk]]) ([[User blog:Drew1200|blogs]])</sup> 20:43, January 16, 2012 (UTC) (forgot my sig :P) |
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:::*I would consider swearing something that 13-15 year olds won't necessarily want to hear, though there are exceptions. {{User:Ajraddatz/sig}} 18:44, January 17, 2012 (UTC) |
:::*I would consider swearing something that 13-15 year olds won't necessarily want to hear, though there are exceptions. {{User:Ajraddatz/sig}} 18:44, January 17, 2012 (UTC) |
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::::* There are people of all ages that don't like swearing, and it's good to have respect for them, even though they're over 13. [[User:Drew1200|Drewlzoo]]<sup>([[User talk:Drew1200|talk]]) ([[User blog:Drew1200|blogs]])</sup> |
::::* There are people of all ages that don't like swearing, and it's good to have respect for them, even though they're over 13. [[User:Drew1200|Drewlzoo]]<sup>([[User talk:Drew1200|talk]]) ([[User blog:Drew1200|blogs]])</sup> |
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+ | *'''Support''' [[User:Agent Charge|<font color="black">'''Charge'''</font>]] [[User talk:Agent Charge|<font color="lightgrey">'''talk'''</font>]] Go Briki! 19:02, January 25, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | *'''Support''' --LUModder LUBeta Tester (I will make sig later) |
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+ | *'''Support''' ▂▃▅▆▇█▓▒░[[User:Eagleeyedan|Eagleeyedan]]▒░▓█▇▆▅▃▂ |
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*'''Strong Oppose''' LMB are the rain to our parade, so no thank you. --[[User:Br1ck animat0r|<span style="font-weight:bold; font-family:Courier New; color:white"><span style="padding-left:4px; background-color:blue">From the desk of Br1ck an1mator</span></span>]] 16:55, January 17, 2012 (UTC) |
*'''Strong Oppose''' LMB are the rain to our parade, so no thank you. --[[User:Br1ck animat0r|<span style="font-weight:bold; font-family:Courier New; color:white"><span style="padding-left:4px; background-color:blue">From the desk of Br1ck an1mator</span></span>]] 16:55, January 17, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | **I got banned there for saying hell. >_> --{{User:Crazed Penguin/spook}} 01:54, January 19, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | ***If you do get banned for that, then please leave me a message and I'll unban you if that really was the reason. We're not that strict with those kind of words, we only ban if they're being spammed. But that really doesn't have anything to do with this because it'll have different ChatMods and different words. |
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+ | [[User:Drew1200|Drewlzoo]]<sup>([[User talk:Drew1200|talk]]) ([[User blog:Drew1200|blogs]])</sup> |
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*'''oppose''' maybe not so much for the swears but defiantly not for the "bad" words, on the LMB wiki hell and idiot are considered bad words and as a strong believer of freedom of speech I think this would be oppressive not supportive for our community <span style="background-color:Red; border:4px ridge Red;"> [[User:Prisinorzero|<span style="color:white;">'''Prisinor'''</span>]][[User_talk:Prisinorzero|<span style="color:white;">'''zero'''</span>]] </span> 21:09, January 16, 2012 (UTC) |
*'''oppose''' maybe not so much for the swears but defiantly not for the "bad" words, on the LMB wiki hell and idiot are considered bad words and as a strong believer of freedom of speech I think this would be oppressive not supportive for our community <span style="background-color:Red; border:4px ridge Red;"> [[User:Prisinorzero|<span style="color:white;">'''Prisinor'''</span>]][[User_talk:Prisinorzero|<span style="color:white;">'''zero'''</span>]] </span> 21:09, January 16, 2012 (UTC) |
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**Brickipedia would no be importing the words, just the filter, and they would completely insert all their own words. [[User:Drew1200|Drewlzoo]]<sup>([[User talk:Drew1200|talk]]) ([[User blog:Drew1200|blogs]])</sup> |
**Brickipedia would no be importing the words, just the filter, and they would completely insert all their own words. [[User:Drew1200|Drewlzoo]]<sup>([[User talk:Drew1200|talk]]) ([[User blog:Drew1200|blogs]])</sup> |
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** Okay, it was good to get that out of my system :D Now that I've calmed down, I'll explain a more logical and less philosophical problem with this. Why do we want to censor content if people can see it anyway? Isn't that completely against what censorship is? [[User:FB100Z|FB100Z]] • [[User talk:FB100Z|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/FB100Z|contribs]] 04:12, January 17, 2012 (UTC) |
** Okay, it was good to get that out of my system :D Now that I've calmed down, I'll explain a more logical and less philosophical problem with this. Why do we want to censor content if people can see it anyway? Isn't that completely against what censorship is? [[User:FB100Z|FB100Z]] • [[User talk:FB100Z|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/FB100Z|contribs]] 04:12, January 17, 2012 (UTC) |
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*** But some people don't to see the swear words. {{User:Captain_Jag/sig1}} 04:17, January 17, 2012 (UTC) |
*** But some people don't to see the swear words. {{User:Captain_Jag/sig1}} 04:17, January 17, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | **** Then they politely ask the offending user to stop. The offending user stops. (If he doesn't, we have a troll on our hands.) [[User:FB100Z|FB100Z]] • [[User talk:FB100Z|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/FB100Z|contribs]] 21:15, January 17, 2012 (UTC) |
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*'''Strong oppose''' This shmacks of shenshorship. {{User:Cligra/Sig}} |
*'''Strong oppose''' This shmacks of shenshorship. {{User:Cligra/Sig}} |
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+ | * '''strong oppose''' per above--[[User:Brick bobby|Brick bobby]] 20:15, January 17, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | *'''Weak Oppose''' Just for now. --{{User:Crazed Penguin/spook}} 22:38, January 17, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | *'''Weak oppose''' People are always gonna look at the words anyways, no use in putting it up then. |
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+ | P.S.- Aren't we supposed to all be teens anyways? We should be able to handle these words. -_- --[[User:Makuta Tarkairadan|<font color="orange">L</font>]][[User talk:Makuta Tarkairadan|<font color="red">o</font>]][[User blog:Makuta Tarkairadan|<font color="orange">r</font>]][http://custombionicle.wikia.com/wiki/Corruption <font color="red">d</font>] [http://ninjago.wikia.com/wiki/Special:WikiActivity <font color="orange">S</font>][http://custombionicle.wikia.com/wiki/Ra_(MT) <font color="red">h</font>][http://custombionicle.wikia.com/wiki/Anubis <font color="orange">u</font>] 23:01, January 17, 2012 (UTC) |
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⚫ | *''' Extremely Strong Oppose''' I don't ever curse on the internet but what happened to free speech!?! We need to have chatmods from different time zones so that when one isn't on another is. '''If a user is being bad then he/she must be blocked.''' If a user is offended with chat or does not lke it. Than he/she doesn't have to come on. {{User:Darth henry/Sig}} 04:38, January 17, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | **This sums it up.--{{User:Crazed Penguin/spook}} 04:45, January 17, 2012 (UTC) |
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== Neutral == |
== Neutral == |
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**Yes, it's not even a hack, you just have to misspell it or something and it doesn't catch it. It's very basic, but it does a good job. :) [[User:Drew1200|Drewlzoo]]<sup>([[User talk:Drew1200|talk]]) ([[User blog:Drew1200|blogs]])</sup> |
**Yes, it's not even a hack, you just have to misspell it or something and it doesn't catch it. It's very basic, but it does a good job. :) [[User:Drew1200|Drewlzoo]]<sup>([[User talk:Drew1200|talk]]) ([[User blog:Drew1200|blogs]])</sup> |
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***It's technically still a hack. :P And this filter actually exists? I heard rumors of another wiki having this (or had it)... :S {{User:Skdhjf/SigT}} 03:58, January 17, 2012 (UTC) |
***It's technically still a hack. :P And this filter actually exists? I heard rumors of another wiki having this (or had it)... :S {{User:Skdhjf/SigT}} 03:58, January 17, 2012 (UTC) |
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− | *''' Nice idea Sir''' but it won't work, |
+ | *''' Nice idea Sir''' but it won't work, Per both sides. --{{User:Crazed Penguin/spook}} 03:23, January 17, 2012 (UTC) |
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** By the way, isn't everyone on chat over 13? (I hope...) And won't this encourage trolls, and discourage well-meaning users (who will get slapped in the face for saying "damn")? [[User:FB100Z|FB100Z]] • [[User talk:FB100Z|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/FB100Z|contribs]] 04:25, January 17, 2012 (UTC) |
** By the way, isn't everyone on chat over 13? (I hope...) And won't this encourage trolls, and discourage well-meaning users (who will get slapped in the face for saying "damn")? [[User:FB100Z|FB100Z]] • [[User talk:FB100Z|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/FB100Z|contribs]] 04:25, January 17, 2012 (UTC) |
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*** Also, we need to discuss what will define a "bad word" that is worth the censor. {{User:Skdhjf/SigT}} 04:31, January 17, 2012 (UTC) |
*** Also, we need to discuss what will define a "bad word" that is worth the censor. {{User:Skdhjf/SigT}} 04:31, January 17, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | * Neutral for now, though I may change my opinion later. {{User:SKP4472/sig2}} 21:35, January 17, 2012 (UTC) |
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⚫ | *''' Extremely Strong Oppose''' I don't ever curse on the internet but what happened to free speech!?! We need to have chatmods from different time zones so that when one isn't on another is. '''If a user is being bad then he/she must be blocked.''' If a user is offended with chat or does not lke it. Than he/she doesn't have to come on. {{User:Darth henry/Sig}} 04:38, January 17, 2012 (UTC) |
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::We're introducing all these issues so we can protect people who violate Wikia's ToS? [[User:FB100Z|FB100Z]] • [[User talk:FB100Z|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/FB100Z|contribs]] 20:07, January 17, 2012 (UTC) |
::We're introducing all these issues so we can protect people who violate Wikia's ToS? [[User:FB100Z|FB100Z]] • [[User talk:FB100Z|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/FB100Z|contribs]] 20:07, January 17, 2012 (UTC) |
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:::I said that it was their fault. Also, I just wanted to answer a retorical question :p {{User:Berrybrick/Sig}} 20:09, January 17, 2012 (UTC) |
:::I said that it was their fault. Also, I just wanted to answer a retorical question :p {{User:Berrybrick/Sig}} 20:09, January 17, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | ::::Turns out, a tree that falls in the woods with nobody around ''does'' make a sound! [[User:FB100Z|FB100Z]] • [[User talk:FB100Z|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/FB100Z|contribs]] 20:13, January 17, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | :::::Cool! What's the sound of one hand clapping? {{User:Berrybrick/Sig}} 21:16, January 17, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | ::::::I hear it sounds like John Cage's ''4:33''. Unless you clap at Mach 2. Then it sounds different. [[User:FB100Z|FB100Z]] • [[User talk:FB100Z|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/FB100Z|contribs]] 22:32, January 17, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | ===Who will import it?=== |
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+ | Before this forum is closed, who will import the filter if it is decided to use it? [[User:Drew1200|Drewlzoo]]<sup>([[User talk:Drew1200|talk]]) ([[User blog:Drew1200|blogs]])</sup> |
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+ | :One of us (admins)(I assume)(why does it matter?)(and why am I using so many brackets?). {{User:UltrasonicNXT/Signature}} |
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+ | ::Yeah, it has to be an (admin)(I was wondering which admin it would be)(:P)([[User:Drew1200|Drewlzoo]]<sup>([[User talk:Drew1200|talk]]) ([[User blog:Drew1200|blogs]])</sup>) |
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+ | :We haven't quite reached a consensus yet, if I have it correctly. We have 12 supporters versus 8 opposers; both have pretty strong points. [[Special:Contributions/75.0.177.16|75.0.177.16]] 20:07, January 26, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | ===What counts as a censor?=== |
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+ | ^^^ --{{User:Crazed Penguin/spook}} 08:44, January 28, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | *If you mean what censor it, then it's an image. If you mean what's censored, then that's up to the admin. [[User:Drew1200|Drewlzoo]]<sup>([[User talk:Drew1200|talk]]) ([[User blog:Drew1200|blogs]])</sup> |
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+ | **Admins don't own the wiki. What if a user disagrees with their decision? [[User:FB100Z|FB100Z]] • [[User talk:FB100Z|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/FB100Z|contribs]] 22:55, February 2, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | ***<s>Death penalty.</s> Capital punishment. {{User:Berrybrick/Sig}} 22:58, February 2, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | ****If that happens, the People's Republic of Normal Brickipedia Users will drain the moat outside of the cabal's castle out of revenge. [[Special:Contributions/75.0.177.16|75.0.177.16]] 02:39, February 3, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | *****Errm. Should we make a "list" :P |
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+ | ******No, it's fine for an admin to do because it always optional whether you can view the word or not. :) [[User:Drew1200|Drewlzoo]]<sup>([[User talk:Drew1200|talk]]) ([[User blog:Drew1200|blogs]])</sup> |
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+ | *******That made absolutely no sense. Maybe I'm an idiot :/ [[Special:Contributions/75.0.177.16|75.0.177.16]] 18:22, February 3, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | ********If we do have a word filter can we keep it at just swear words, otherwise there will be some debate as it depends on the context. Also even some swear words depend on the context. Anyway some people are going to have to use the words to decide which ones are censored --[[User:Brick bobby|Brick bobby]] 07:47, February 4, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | *********My plan was to just have swear words. For the words the some people think are swear words, and some people don't, there will be an orange X instead of a red X. And don't worry, the swear words that people don't agree on definitely won't go as far as "fart" and that kind of stuff. :P [[User:Drew1200|Drewlzoo]]<sup>([[User talk:Drew1200|talk]]) ([[User blog:Drew1200|blogs]])</sup> |
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+ | **********I don't want words like crap and hell getting the orange tick, Crap simply means bad work or poop. --{{User:Crazed Penguin/spook}} 02:14, February 8, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | **********I wasn't planning on putting those on, but if you don't want them, then you'd have to notify the admin... [[User:Drew1200|Drewlzoo]]<sup>([[User talk:Drew1200|talk]]) ([[User blog:Drew1200|blogs]])</sup> |
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+ | *{{C|Outdent}} If this gets implemented (I hope it doesn't), red X's should be the only level. No orange or yellow or any of that weird controversial stuff (since when do we need to hide the word "idiot" from 13+?). And let's not make the red X's part of policy, only courtesy. No crap about "if you produce a red X, you will be banned for 16.8 days." [[Special:Contributions/75.2.130.125|75.2.130.125]] 02:36, February 8, 2012 (UTC) |
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+ | '''closed (by request) with decision to implement on some level''' Although I've voted, I really am not worried about this as I never use chat, so feel I can look at this objectively. Obvously the word list is still to be decided, but I really can't see what the harm is in censoring some of the "higher-level" words. As far as the "freedom of speech" argument goes, it's no different to beeping out swearing on the news on tv, and if you want to see what the word is, you have that option. I would recommend that admins involved with the chat feature to work on a list "off-wiki". I don't think we really want our wiki to be at the top of a list of search results when they're typed into google (although i'm not sure that they'll have to go in a js file anyway) {{User:Nighthawk leader/sig}} 03:02, February 8, 2012 (UTC) |
Latest revision as of 05:16, 13 June 2012
Red X: Swear Words Orange X: Bad Words Yellow X: Unneeded words commonly used for spamming or trolling It is completely customizable, you can delete or add as much as you want, for example, the LMB Wiki doesn't even use the orange level right now. Here are some reasons I think it would be good:
There are many more reasons, but as I said, Brickipedia can make it block anything they want, and it's completely optional for users. They can choose to read the words by simply hovering over the icon which shows that the word was blocked. There's really no reason not to do it. IMPORTANT EDIT: The words WILL be changed by the admin who imports it. They will not be the same, and you will not get banned for saying darn! Drewlzoo(talk) (blogs) 20:43, January 16, 2012 (UTC) (forgot my sig :P) Support
SuperSpyX Tell me your secrets You cannot hide 20:53, January 16, 2012 (UTC)
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P.S.- Aren't we supposed to all be teens anyways? We should be able to handle these words. -_- --Lord Shu 23:01, January 17, 2012 (UTC)
Darth henry The Dojo Turtles! 04:38, January 17, 2012 (UTC)
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SKP4472 Talk [[Special:Editcount/SKP4472|Special:Editcount/SKP4472 Edits!]] Devoted Editor of Brickipedia 21:35, January 17, 2012 (UTC) Comments
Arbitrary section breakWall of text - This is my main concern. Isn't censoring the mainspace a much higher priority? A significant portion of our non-editor readers are 13-, but there are no underage users in chat (I hope). Here are some more cons:
Kids under 13 are not allowed in chat. Why try to make it safe for them if we have all these disadvantages? Why aren't we making the mainspace safer instead? FB100Z • talk • contribs 18:33, January 17, 2012 (UTC)
Who will import it?Before this forum is closed, who will import the filter if it is decided to use it? Drewlzoo(talk) (blogs)
What counts as a censor?^^^ --Czech 08:44, January 28, 2012 (UTC)
closed (by request) with decision to implement on some level Although I've voted, I really am not worried about this as I never use chat, so feel I can look at this objectively. Obvously the word list is still to be decided, but I really can't see what the harm is in censoring some of the "higher-level" words. As far as the "freedom of speech" argument goes, it's no different to beeping out swearing on the news on tv, and if you want to see what the word is, you have that option. I would recommend that admins involved with the chat feature to work on a list "off-wiki". I don't think we really want our wiki to be at the top of a list of search results when they're typed into google (although i'm not sure that they'll have to go in a js file anyway) NightblazeSaber 03:02, February 8, 2012 (UTC) |